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Yan Yana podcast serisinin üçüncüsünde şiir üzerine konuşuyoruz. Orijinal kayıt 30 Ağustos 2014 tarihinde gerçekleşmiştir.
Ömer Erdem, 2001 Cahit Zarifoğlu Şiir Ödülü’nün sahibi. Devamlı olarak edebiyat dergilerinde şiirleri yayımlanıyor. Daha önceki Dünyaya Sarkıtılan İpler, Mesafesi Kadar İnleyen Rüzgar, Yitirişler, Yarım Ağaçlar kitaplarının bir araya geldiği Evvel 2010 yılında Everest’ten yayınlandı. Aynı yayınevinden 2010’da Kireç, ve 2012’de Kör isimli şiir kitaplarını yayınladı. Aynı zamanda Zaman gazetesinde ve Radikal Kitap’ta köşe yazarlığı yapıyor.
Prof. Dr. Kaya Özkuş, Akupunturist ve Anatomist.Öyle Güzel Yalnızım ki Seninle… ve Aşk Hep Yenidir… adlı şiir kitapları var.
Yavuz Parlar, sunucumuz. 2013-2014’te Açık Radyo’da Güncelleme isimli güncel sanat programının yaratıcılarından ve sunucularından biri.
On the fifth one of Side by Side podcast series we are talking about poetry. Original recording was made on 30th of August, 2014.
Ömer Erdem, was awarded the 2001 Cahit Zarifoğlu Poetry Award. His poems are published in many literary magazines. Dünyaya Sarkıtılan İpler, Mesafesi Kadar İnleyen Rüzgar, Yitirişler, Yarım Ağaçlar, Evvel, Kireç ve Kör are some of the poetry books he has besides his prose works and also he is working as a writer in Zaman and Radikal Kitap newspapers.
Prof. Dr. Kaya Özkuş, the writer of the poetry books called Öyle Güzel Yalnızım ki Seninle… ve Aşk Hep Yenidir… Also an acupuncture and anatomy specialist.
Our host, Yavuz Parlar, is one of the makers and hosts of the radio show titled “Güncelleme” that discussed contemporary art at Açık Radyo from 2013 to 2014.
On being a doctor and writing poetry:
Kaya: … Being a doctor is not a way of solving the problems between my life and the world, it is only a solution for my economic problems. Of course in this country it is not possible to make money and provide a living for your family by writing poetry, I wish it were possible, very few people can do this at the moment… There is one thing my profession provides for me, or being an anatomist and working with the brain, and that is the fact that at the moment of conveying my problems it helped me think about human brain, human perception, humans’ existential processes and its relationship with poetry, this is the only relationship. Apart from this, poetry is a different medium, being a doctor or an academician is a different thing, but they absolutely interact with each other…in our daily lives, every observation and every sound can be associated with poetry but the human mind needs to be moved away from other worries. Then it can create a problem, it is not easy to move away from them. Besides, poetry takes up a big space already, in the end it is a window, whenever I find time I try to look through that window for myself.
On poetry and ideology:
Ömer: … Turkey is a problematic country in that sense, because say ideological thoughts or higher thinking, the activities, books etc… as sources of this higher thinking are not accessible. Mostly they do not and did not come to us. And naturally to get over this chaos- which I call chaos- takes time and has a price too. Because, when you do not get to the level of critical thinking, what you read, or the things that are read to you start controlling you. However, as an art practice, poetry requires destroying all kinds of ideological, religious, ethical and social patterns, after they are destroyed you can go back to them, I mean you can find a synthesis on your own way… not politically but culturally and in terms of humanity I see myself as a democrat. Being a democrat brings me to understanding and giving a meaning to everything, beyond reacting I am trying to understand, why people live this way, why they look this way, why they do this in this way. I am trying to give a meaning and to listen of course and this leads to an idea for me, these thoughts are already deeply rooted in my world of poetry. I am criticizing, but as I criticize this it is not a criticism that is about showing the difference between black and white or good and bad, it is more about putting myself at the centre of this criticism. And I always say this; human beings go from feelings to thoughts. So poetry is not only about feeling or naked thought on its own. It is an endless perpetuity of feelings and thoughts that come and go all the time.
Kaya: Of course from time to time too much pressure has been put on poets but the poet rejects this kind of a duty in the first place, the poet looks at the relation between himself and the society however whatever he creates from there does not need to have a mission, the mission has its place in it on its own. So any kind of poetry is actually an opposition. Without opposition, without a worry or a problem it is impossible to have poetry. Therefore, creating a name and an aim is limiting. I mean there is no place for these limits for the poet or the poem, the less limits the better it is because poetry also arises from the relationship between the person and his relation to himself. Later on, other people can use it in many different areas, in different manners and for different aims that does not interest the poet I think. According to my thoughts, there will be a lot of people who write poetry making this aim a priority in the process but I do not think this way.
On the process of transforming poems into books:
Ömer: My process runs like this: after the publishing of the last book there is an impact and reflections made for a while. Interviews are made; critical writings come out etc… After a while this naturally slows down, and for a while you slow down as well. Because your latest book is now left behind as a whole. Then you want to write something new. Actually as you write something new you try to change yourself. Maybe you want to abolish, maybe you want to progress so this is a condition of continuous unknowingness. This is why you go into searching. You go back to what you have written, you go through them. What are the things that are sustainable, changeable or things that can actually create a leap, you go through them and in a very unexpected time frame you find yourself writing again.
… A book is a project actually, it can even be a strategy. You are walking on a road and there are books that you leave behind on your journey. And also looking at the future you need to think strategically, what is this? Choosing the name of the book, then its density, then organizing its inner construction. Deciding on these, and then handing it over to the publisher. You want the book to be published rightaway because the moment you want the book to happen you want it to come alive rightaway. This doesn’t require a long time for me, I mean my publisher brings it to life whenever I want. After this he takes care of many things; from the advertisement he needs to make to organizing all the other relations. But I do this, maybe this is a completely different thing… I send the folder to 3-5 poet friends that is valuable to me. So before the book is published I take their ideas. As a third eye they can propose very appropriate things. For example, this poem could be placed here, it can be in this chapter or it can start with this… You see something that you had never paid attention to until that moment, these are not things that will change the structure of the book but they are relevant things.